tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post997241200380101283..comments2024-03-03T16:38:16.469-06:00Comments on INDIA: Dual Citizneship WoesMike Ghousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01647894600183489442noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-8339733380034897912011-11-06T22:40:01.715-06:002011-11-06T22:40:01.715-06:00When the old passport(s) become mutilated the same...When the old passport(s) become mutilated the same can be produced at the Indian Embassy and endorsement for the same could be obtained and it now becomes unquestionable by the immigration bosses and it would become enough if you carry your latest living passport.Niranjhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163731375459198592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-92210958028947818132011-08-05T09:45:16.511-06:002011-08-05T09:45:16.511-06:00I'm a Korean student. I've been living in ...I'm a Korean student. I've been living in Bangalore for 9 years and this email is in my university text book. As I was reading this email, I felt so much of sympathy towards the FRRO officer's action.... Every year i had to go through with that kind of officers here, with poor poor facilities of the office as well. This is very ridiculous...KKanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11710100602507751264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-70561615353567884652010-07-13T03:55:29.215-06:002010-07-13T03:55:29.215-06:00From the desk of Mukesh 'Mo-Pat' Patel
Ind...From the desk of Mukesh 'Mo-Pat' Patel<br />Indians are meant to suffer...they suffered for any reason at All...whether due to Corruption, being of a specific caste, tribe or whatever...just pure ignorance is imbedded into our make up....a true Jhat type of mentality....<br />Sad...we kiss the white ass, ridicule our own, get mistreated by our own kind...so what do you thionk should happen...be Treated different by Govt employees who are lazy, useless and are only employed to keep the population engaged.<br />Now just Travel somewhere else and be HappyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-20864118259169018332010-06-04T21:29:29.757-06:002010-06-04T21:29:29.757-06:00As Anonymous states, an Governmental Authority has...As Anonymous states, an Governmental Authority has every discretion to exercise their prerogative whether Mr X or Y enters a country despite proper documents. Mr Biswas should be thankful that he was not held up behind bars or sent back. So instead of abusing the Indian Authorities, he should be thankful that his trip was not a wasted trip despite the inconvenience.<br /><br />I am glad Anonymous agrees with the fact that every sovereign authority has the right to choose who it wants and who it does not want in their own national interests and as Overseas citizens of Indian origin, let's learn to respect that fully and abide by the laws of the land as we would do where we reside.Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-10166348280146073892010-06-02T11:27:04.286-06:002010-06-02T11:27:04.286-06:00Nothing seems wrong from Authority point of view. ...Nothing seems wrong from Authority point of view. <br /><br />In recent past, lots of people with Valid passport and H1B visa come to USA and sent back by Authorities without entry to US from Newark airport. Who cried? no one, not even American consulate in India who issues the Visa. They were actually traveling with valid documents. What will you do for them?????<br /><br />You should actually thank Mr Biswas to allow you and clear yr case. He could have denied and ask for deportation.<br /><br />Always carry proper documentation or face consequences and don't cry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-18378845053504401642010-04-12T21:10:47.689-06:002010-04-12T21:10:47.689-06:00Mr Anonymous, now a UK citizen, but writes without...Mr Anonymous, now a UK citizen, but writes without a name, probably ashamed of himself, yet curses his country of origin- India, sees all the dirt in the world as he see says so in the last line, what else can he see but just that. He has no respect for his country of origins, wonder if he has any respect for himself, obviously not thats why he was shy to even give his name. Well, it takes all type to make this world.<br /><br />Now Mr Anonymous, what did you get by cursing India, did you hope to be honored with a title "Sir" - did you achieve a Nobel Prize or some Award ?<br /><br />It better be known that your opinion means nothing because their are so many overseas visitors who continue to admire the country of your curse. You suffer from a inferiority complex and that makes you feel superior, pitiably that is not the way the world sees the country of your origins. It is better you stay away lest you further pollute the country of your origins which is suffering on account of accursed one like you Mr Anonymous.krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014339468671395460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-52056574306050174402010-04-10T13:55:30.142-06:002010-04-10T13:55:30.142-06:00I am UK citizen of an Indian origin and have had t...I am UK citizen of an Indian origin and have had the misfortune of being a visitor in India on several occasions. One doesn’t have to state the obvious when it comes to the treatment by the Indians towards the people of their own race and creed. You think that immigration service is the only service where an Indian gets ignored and ill treated while white skinned people get the preferential treatment with a smile then you must be living in a dream world. You, as an Indian, only need to go the local restaurants in Mumbai, Delhi and other places in India to watch this preferential behaviour being meted out to the white skinned people. Even Air India and the local airlines aren’t any different.<br /><br />I seem to notice a type of resentment amongst Indians of India as if to say that you bastards left India and lived most your lives very comfortably and benefitted immensely, where as we were left behind to rot in this shithole, which incidentally is quite understandable. They appear to give an impression that now you “so called” NRIs’ come back to this shithole with pocket full of Dollars and Pounds and expect us to treat you as if you are the masters of the Universe. <br /><br />One would agree that there appears to be a general expectation amongst the natives to expect someone else to come and solve the problems of their day to day miserable lives instead of doing it for themselves. One gets the impression that they never get off their lazy asses to do something instead blame the government. <br /><br />Look at India today. I hear a great deal about the strides being made to improve India but does one see this improvement any where? This is the only country, which I can honestly say, is the dirtiest country in the world. This is the only country in the world where roads and high rise blocks are being built but without any decent amenities. This is the only country in the world with immense indiscipline, whether be it on the roads or carrying out day to day activities. India is the only country in the world where cows roam the streets but INDIANS worship it at the same time with complete disregard to its welfare. India is the only country in the world where one can see numerous natives defecating and urinating openly on the roads without any thoughts of decency.<br /><br />So, what did you expect at the immigration counter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-21500142042214489692010-02-10T23:41:26.118-06:002010-02-10T23:41:26.118-06:00It is obvious that the Professor is still an India...It is obvious that the Professor is still an Indian at heart though EmeritUS on the face. He expected to be given leeway by the officials even though he did not have the proper (though admittedly superfluous and confusing) paperwork. India was never a well-oiled machinery and his narrative supports the same. Expect trouble when you are not in compliance. Manage it when it happens even when you ARE in compliance! Regards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-56210423160273673892010-02-09T15:42:24.943-06:002010-02-09T15:42:24.943-06:00Suresh Makhijani, your comments do not specify the...Suresh Makhijani, your comments do not specify the reasons why your wife was deported. Obviously, there is something that was not correct or as per the laws. <br /><br />My wife travelled with an OCI and a foreign passport, she was not deported, but rather was well received and dealt with courteously. Therefore, before we decide to abuse the PM of India and the Indian system, one needs to introspect where and what was the reason that was attributed for your wife's deportation. Obviously, no one is deported just because they do not like their face, right ! <br /><br />I would suggest do please educate all with the circumstances leading to such a decision for deportation or else your comments are not fair and prejudiced, that's it !<br /><br />On the contrary, I am sure the same fate of deportation would have been faced if one were to enter the US without proper documentation as per the rules of the land that is immediate deportation if not worse !krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014339468671395460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-74155348044897579792010-02-08T16:41:14.834-06:002010-02-08T16:41:14.834-06:00My wife was actually deported at her own expense w...My wife was actually deported at her own expense within an hour after arriving in Mumbai, holding an OCI and a US passport. It was Diwali day. Adding insult to injury, the deporting officer offered her "Diwali Mithai" while escorting her to the plane.<br /> <br />The shameless Prime Minister, who on his website promises to acknowledge every complaint sent to him, did not respond. <br /><br />Frankly, an OCI is nothing but trouble, an instrument created to generate additional revenue for the foreign ministry AND for the immigration officers to extract bribes. I am told that at least one OCI holder on every single flight gets deported. I wonder how many escape deportment by bribing.<br /><br />The OCI document, which looks like an Indian passport, clearly states that the holder is allowed unlimited entries into India for unlimited periods. Then why should the holder be required to carry an expired foreign passport which has a corresponding stamp saying essentially the same thing?<br /><br />More than that, why has the Indian government created this concept of pseudo Dual Citizenship when it clearly intends to offer no advantages or preferences to such people?Suresh Makhijaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-19948864741740709742010-01-26T18:52:41.321-06:002010-01-26T18:52:41.321-06:00Absolutely Neel....well, I have to put this here. ...Absolutely Neel....well, I have to put this here. My wife applied for an OCI despite of all that we read above (I refer to the negative comments about Indian Officers being corrupt etc). Well, she went to India and it was all smooth sailing. The officers were extremely courteous, just the routine questions and a welcome....how about that Raj, the Doctor way above who did not take his papers (OCI+Passport) and blamed the Indian immigration for not letting him in and so many others who do not adhere to rules when they enter their Country of origin, because they only take it for granted ! Sorry, we had a perfectly warm experience only because we had the relevant papers as advised by the High Commission. So lets stop calling Indian officers corrupt because they do not listen to a defaulting traveller of Indian origin who wouldn't dare do it if he was entering the US.Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-34312897801766548762010-01-25T23:44:54.157-06:002010-01-25T23:44:54.157-06:00An eye for an eye will turn the whole world blind,...An eye for an eye will turn the whole world blind, be kind, be patient and always be polite!neelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-81222834543042140252009-10-09T14:16:36.829-06:002009-10-09T14:16:36.829-06:00Raj, you and I very well know that the discretion ...Raj, you and I very well know that the discretion to grant visa rests solely with the immigration officer whether in Indian Port of Entry or in the US Embassy/Port of Entry or anywhere howsoever, one is genuine. Sharukh Khan is a fine example who had all the documentation, just think! <br /><br />Now if an officer does not grant a visa is it fair to call him corrupt unless of course he categorically offered to grant you a visa for a consideration. If so, then you have a cause and definitely a course of action. But if not, it may not be fair to call him corrupt much less call all Indian Officers corrupt. By the way, least of call me corrupt, because I was in no way responsible for your predicament ;) Well, Immigration Officers can be pretty erratic at times and may not grant me visa just because they do not like my face despite my having all the reasons- how about that ? Again think of Sharukh Khan. Well countries which have less problems comparatively I guess are less strict too like Singapore, Malaysia and they have reason to respect a US Green Card. Personally, I feel each case is unique and can be seen by its own merit. <br /><br />I only speak for those who cannot speak or defend themselves at this point and based on my own experience too. It would not be fair to generalize one bad Indian and say all Indians are bad and that India is corrupt....just think for a moment. No offence meant to you personally. Sorry about your experience anyway !<br />Yes, systems are always open to improvementsKrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-85109665249256921992009-10-09T03:01:52.602-06:002009-10-09T03:01:52.602-06:00Kris, The point is he did have the discretion to g...Kris, The point is he did have the discretion to grant me a visa. I have discussed this with a number of my friends who were granted temporary visa. If he did not have the discretion why would he spend 2 hours talking to me and discussing my case with the hospital. The point here is why does the Govt make it so tough for genuine people to visit India. During one of my business trips, when I still had my Indian passport with a US green card I had to stop and make an emergency trip to Penang, Malaysia to meet a supplier> I explained to the immigration officer in Penang the reason of my visit. He did not even call my supplier. He asked me how many days I need and gave me a visa for 72 hours. He took down all the details of my supplier ofcourse to trace me if needed. The reason I am telling you all this Kris is it is a global market and there is big money in Tourism. Why cant the Indian Govt change. Why is the granting of visa by Singapore not comparable. Why can't we adapt their policies when they have been so successful for their economy.I was not asking for extra privileges. All I wanted from that fat officer was some understanding and compassion. You can defend the Indian govt all you want here, but You and everyone here knows how corrupt they are and that includes you, if you are a Govt. servant. I will continue to do business with India, but my trips to India will be very only if it is very urgent.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507150668385402776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-54518774428226621342009-10-08T16:38:58.514-06:002009-10-08T16:38:58.514-06:00Mr Anonymous from UK with your better half having ...Mr Anonymous from UK with your better half having dual citizenship (Australian/UK). Well, if the immigration officer welcomed her why would you feel in Indian port of entry you would be treated as a suspect if you carry all the documents. Try entering Australia without valid documents and see if the same welcome the same immigration officer would give....just try ! Try not to blame India or its officers who do their duty as anyone else anywhere in the world. The problem many phoren returned Indians face is their psyche...behave elsewhere and misbehave when they land in the homeland shores ! Sorry for being curt, but this is by and large true.Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-83311061574167042122009-10-07T05:24:43.635-06:002009-10-07T05:24:43.635-06:00The pity Mr Raj is how can the Immigration officer...The pity Mr Raj is how can the Immigration officer give you a Visa when he has no discretion to give you one despite all your claims. Well, if you are talking about the illegal Pakistanis or Bangladeshis who enter the country that cannot be equated with you a genuine passport holder. Imagine if you were attempting to enter the US with an Indian Passport claiming you were an American or vice versa you think you would have been treated with a bouquet of flowers. Well, definitely a room not as dirty as you experienced, but meted the same treatment. Singapore has a policy of granting a visa at the port of entry and therefore not comparable. Again your bringing in dollars as a businessman does not give you any extra privilege, but as much as any other business man. The Moral: If you do not have proper papers, take nothing for granted least of all blame anyone. The fault lies within us.Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-6889292605246637632009-10-06T17:21:43.292-06:002009-10-06T17:21:43.292-06:00I am an importer of Indian gold jewelry. I had an ...I am an importer of Indian gold jewelry. I had an Indian passport until January 2009. I applied for American citizenship because I wanted to vote in the historic election to elect Obama and also because I found during my travels to different countries that if you have an American passport, you don't need to get visas to many countries. On April 23rd, which was a Friday, I had to make an emergency visit to Hyderabad to be with my Father who was to undergo a complicated surgery. I received the call on Friday morning and did not have time to fly to San Francisco to get a visa as I was trying to fly out on the same day from LAX. I managed to get a ticket on Air India with code share flight by Singapore Airlines. I thought that I would be able to convince the Immigration officer to give me a 1 week visa to be there for my Father's surgery. I couldn't have been more wrong! My nightmare started right after I reached Mumbai. The officer on duty would not give me a visa even after repeated pleadings. He called the hospital to confirm details about the surgery but would not discuss the conversation and refused to grant a visa. I told him how I was an Indian passport holder until October 2008. I asked him how a genuine Indian does not get a visa wheras millions of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are able to come into the country and create havoc. He threatened to impound my American passport for talking to him like that. I warned him that unlike the Indian embassies and consulates, the US consulate would take a serious view of that and he will have lots of problems on his hand if he impounds my passport. They used my return ticket to book me on a flight out of Mumbai to Singapore. The flight was at midnight. So, from 12:15 noon to 1:30 am, I was kept in a dirty room without food or water under supervision of the CISF. This room had an overflowing bathroom and no windows. I felt like I was in prison. They came 1 hour before the flight time and escorted me to the flight. They kept my passport and ticket until I reached Singapore. In Singapore, the AI flight attendant handed me over to Singapore Immigration where they treated me with respect and said that I was free to enter their country without a visa. In Singapore, I requested an urgent visa from the Indian consulate. The Consulate in Singapore was very understanding of my situation and they were considerate enough to give me a visa for 6 months.<br />I wonder if this is the way the Indian Govt wants to treat businessmen who come there regularly to do business. All those who are defending the stupid Immigration officer know that if they were in the prof's shoes would rail about corruption in India. India is on top of the list as far as corruption goes. You all know this is true.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507150668385402776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-30291639057135112442009-10-06T10:49:34.936-06:002009-10-06T10:49:34.936-06:00Please remember OCI is NOT DUAL citizenship. You a...Please remember OCI is NOT DUAL citizenship. You are a foreigner. <br /><br />Is there any country in the world that will allow you to enter without proper documents?<br /><br />I am really suprised that a professor who expects his students to follow the rules does not follow the rules. <br /><br />Always remember what you went through to get US Visa. Did you even iomagine travelling without proper US documents . <br /><br />Here are the conditions for OCI published by India<br /><br />With OCI Status, a foreign passport holder is entitled to the following:<br /><br />Multiple-entry, multi-purpose, life-long visa to visit India. The holder of the OCI Certificate would still need to carry his/her foreign passport, but a Visa "U" ("U" for Universal) sticker would be affixed on the foreign passport; <br />Exemption from reporting to police authorities for any length of stay in India; <br />Parity with NRIs (Non-Resident Indians) in financial, economic and educational fields EXCEPT in relation to acquisition of agricultural and plantation properties.<br /><br />4. Please note that OCI is NOT Dual Citizenship. The Constitution of India does not permit the facility of holding Indian Citizenship simultaneously with a foreign citizenship. The OCI holder would therefore not be eligible for the following rights in India:Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10253980281236829620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-24744604335654382472009-10-06T06:19:06.728-06:002009-10-06T06:19:06.728-06:00I am a British National now and have an OCI card. ...I am a British National now and have an OCI card. My wife is Australian and has dual nationality with Great Britain. Few years ago at the Sydney airport I heard the immigration officer greeting my wife saying Welcome home! Do you ever get or expect to get that kind of greetings from any Indian Immigration Officer? Now there is a thought!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-28122456719864995222009-10-04T11:04:35.156-06:002009-10-04T11:04:35.156-06:00It seems like Indians always have to keep complain...It seems like Indians always have to keep complaining. Just because you are a top professor in US university does not mean you get entry into India. You need to carry all documents while going into any other. I wonder what would have happened to the estemmed professor if he had chosen to come into US without a passport and what would have happened to him. Even with all the docs Shah Rukh Khan was treated badly at US immigration.You need to follow rules of a land - if you cant dont go there. I dont think India will loose out if the professor does not visit India. Stop complaining and follow rules.Raj Iyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-90734274948930058822009-10-01T01:38:02.348-06:002009-10-01T01:38:02.348-06:00I understand the problems you have undergone but i...I understand the problems you have undergone but its nor your fault nor the immigration officer's fault.<br />With so much illigal immigrant and terrorists trying to get in through various sources, the immigration officer has to be cautious.<br />While travelling it is your duty to carry all your travel documents be it your old passport or visa copy, even your e-ticket, what if the same thing had happened to you in the UNITED STATES or United Kingdom, at that time you will consider them doing their duty.<br />Only if you had the old passpoer , you would not have undergone all this.<br />Let this be a lesson for you to carry all your vaild docs n also your old passport with valid visa.<br />Have a nice day<br /><br />CSAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682756030458212159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-3391919316506861112009-09-30T16:27:21.452-06:002009-09-30T16:27:21.452-06:00Well anonymous who decries the "mera bharat m...Well anonymous who decries the "mera bharat mahan" has a problem special to himself. Well, opinions are subjective and could never be generalised. My experience has been quite the contrary despite being an Indian born Canadian citizen. Well, I am not denying about some rude people,, but let us not generalise that every Indian is rude and uncivilised as that would not be fair to you and nor to the Indian or India in general. If you were so honest with yourself why keep yourself anonymous...your hatred is your personal problem and something that probably rests with your attitude and manner in interacting as my experience has been quite the contrary. Indians have been very helpful, understanding, not quite the frogs in the well, helpful and yes if you break the rules they are hard as anyone else you would like to name anywhere in the world and perhaps harder for an Indian to accept being reprimanded by another Indian because he is a phoren returned Indian who has a problem with himself....well, let's forget it and stop being critical as the Indian embassy website is very user friendly, informative and helpful too. May have a few lapse but thats no big deal. So lets leave it at that my friend.Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-88465191770354426822009-09-29T07:33:18.732-06:002009-09-29T07:33:18.732-06:00"Mera Bharat Mahan" is nothing but nonse..."Mera Bharat Mahan" is nothing but nonsence. It used to be Mahan not any more. The people are mean, unethical, and jealous of anyone who has had the opportunity to get out of India. That is why they try to excercise their "power" and show off when Indian born foreign nationals return to India. They get a kick out of being mean and belittling other people. They are frogs in the well who are proud, puffed up and ignorant! I am a (Indian born) Canadian citizen and proud to one. I will never get my dual citizenship because of the horrific treatments I and several of my friends have recieved at the hands of the visa people everytime we go to get a visa for India. To prove my case, just go to the Indian embassy website, and see how pathetic it is. India has some of the best IT people and the Indian embassy website is an embarrassment!! Also, when you go into the visa office, they have a whole different set of rules. They are rude, ignorant, uncivilised and unprofessional!! Or just try calling them. They don't even have proper phone services! There is a different set of rules for different people. They don't care and are rude, rude, rude! I used to be proud of being Indian until I started visiting the visa offices. Now I'm ashamed of being identified as one! Trust me, I'm not the only one feeling this way.<br />Dr. Sujit K Pandit is only one of the thousands who have been harassaed this way. The ads say "Incredible India!" - that should be changed to "India - Ignorant and Proud of it!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-51243861852939460342009-09-28T16:12:01.279-06:002009-09-28T16:12:01.279-06:00It is my experience in India that Government serva...It is my experience in India that Government servants think and act as if you exist for their convenience. They will do anything and say anything to see how much bribe they can extort from you. They lack the simple courtesy or give you a helping hand. That is the reason India is considered as one of the most corrupt nation in the world. Corruption is rampant without exception. Rights of the citizen?? What is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2836166316876981645.post-30584474418121893292009-09-27T20:14:27.962-06:002009-09-27T20:14:27.962-06:00Mr Jai Mutreja, OCI is good for those who have per...Mr Jai Mutreja, OCI is good for those who have permanent interests in India, they can travel several times without having to obtain a visa since the OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India) endorsement is a Visa in itself. Only thing is one must carry that endorsement in the passport and the document related to have a smooth entry into Indian Ports. <br /><br />Harassment and Interrogation are just the same from two states of mind, but the fact remains no country in the world would permit any foreign national to enter without proper entry papers/visa therefore, it is not correct to blame the Immigration Officers for doing their job. Dr Pandits' example cannot be generalized as an experience of everybody.Krisnoreply@blogger.com